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So, as you may have read, the European Parliament voted today as follows:

(upload filters)
Passed: 366 for, 297 against

11 (link tax)
Passed: 393 for, 279 against

(They also banned people taking unofficial video or photos of sports events ⚽ 🚫 📸 )

So, close but not enough 😟

However, this was not the final vote. There will be more negotiations and a final vote in spring of 2019.

I would advise following Julia Reda, one of the good MEPs:

juliareda.eu/2018/09/ep-endors

@switchingsocial We'll be out of the EU before this thing passes, and if we're not then our parliament can sit on it until after the end of March 🇬🇧

@iona @switchingsocial The sad thing is, that it will affect not only eu states.

@switchingsocial Also maybe hounding the crap out of every MEP who voted in favour of this shit constantly from this day onward?

@Jo

I don't think that would help :( The pro-filter MEPs already think the publishing industry is their best friend, attacking them would simply reinforce that view.

We need to vote them out of office, and support the anti-filter MEPs. The vote split the parliament down the middle, almost half the parliament voted against Art11 and Art13. The sports proposal passed by just one vote.

As I posted above, Julia Reda is one of the leading figures we need to back:
twitter.com/senficon

@Jo

Most importantly, we need to (politely) get the unsure MEPs on our side. Many of them are not aware of how the internet works, and genuinely think fair filters are possible.

If they could be educated on the drawbacks, maybe the unsure ones might swing to our side.

@switchingsocial @Jo I wonder if a lot of the votes in favour of the legislation were from people who wanted to get one over on the big US tech companies.

It's quite possible that some MEPs voted to screw arrogant corporations like Google and Facebook and didn't stop to think about the practical implications of what they were doing on individual internet users and small online businesses.

@iona @Jo

Yes, that came through very strongly in the discourse. Almost every time someone pointed out the flaws in Art 11 and 13, one of the proponents accused them of working for Google etc.

I was accused of that regularly, despite running a site that tells people how to escape tech giants!

@switchingsocial @iona @Jo the reasonable course of action against big US megacorporations is taxing them, imo.

I'd start by applying the same tax rates in all EU countries, but that's probably never going to pass.

@iona @switchingsocial @Jo This appeared to be the tone of the reaction to the first vote: "These people don't understand what we are trying to do. Can't they see we are trying to save journalism from the behemoth that is Facebook?" ie. zero reflection, no attempt to engage with the arguments. (Granted, copy and paste emails don't help people to engage.)

@krozruch @iona @switchingsocial I did see a few recommendations here that people write the emails themselves from scratch rather than bot it.

Since I'm no longer on Twitter, I don't know if that was the case there.

@krozruch @iona @Jo

They're trying to preserve pre-internet media in a post-internet world.

They want this so much (in many cases their jobs depend on it), they're willing to believe anyone who claims it's possible, even if every expert says it isn't.

I don't know whether they will ever realise their mistake, or whether they will simply look for someone new to blame.

@switchingsocial They won't. They speak to lobbyists. People with non-monetised interests do not count. - it is a cynical take, but I fear it is realistic.

@switchingsocial It's almost like.. Everyone who said the EU was a wonderful idea and that the UK was stupid for leaving.. Were wrong. Hope the EU crashes and burns

@Siedge

@iona

No one has any idea at all what the UK will do instead.

Considering Britain's much weaker negotiating position outside any trading blocs, it is likely that new trade deals will impose much worse terms than the UK currently enjoys. These could include e.g. the US wanting compulsory copyright protection through filters etc.

The UK will no longer have the leverage it had as part of the EU (or EFTA or the Empire before that). Britain will have to take whatever it can get.

@switchingsocial @iona If the UK would stop being so pathetic, we have a US president that was pro brexit and hates the EU... They would do very well with us. Americans in general like the UK far more than we like the EU

@Siedge @switchingsocial Wait, what? You have me muddled up with a Brexiteer 🇪🇺

@Siedge @iona

It's not about being pathetic, it's about being part of a huge rich trading bloc.

The EU represents 450 million rich first world consumers, the US represents 330 million, so they both have enormous bargaining power.

The UK only has 65 million people, that's not even a quarter of what those blocs have. It simply isn't big enough to throw its weight around in the same way.

It's the same reason supermarket chains have much cheaper food than small independent shops.

@switchingsocial It's so close T_T, I hope somehow in spring the things turns better, if not, we are fuck _ _

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