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Hi, anyone interested in working on a federated alternative to TripAdvisor (traveler and tourism information, reviews, chat, travel album, ...) ?

@switchingsocial @nextcloud @Chocobozzz @pixelfed @anfora @funkwhale @GetTogetherComm @BaptisteGelez @write_as @dev @prismo @tuxether @calendar_social

@nico it would be AMAZING to have such open-source project available and i would love to contribute but i'm affraid i don't have any free spare time left for this. The only thing i could eventually help with is a frontend development (Vue.js)

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List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

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@er1n @switchingsocial Looks interesting.Unluckily it has too few features currently to try it out correctly but hopefully that will change in future.Is support for the Mastodon client API planned so that all Mastodon apps can be used?Maybe I'll run a instance of it when it's ready for use.I already thought about running a Mastodon instance but I'm not rich and Mastodon needs so huge and expensive servers to run correctly.Running on a raspberry sounds nice 👍

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List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

List of #ActivityPub projects in development (October update) Show more

@switching.social @Nico @Arnaud J. @pixelfed @Erin 🕯 @bb010g

I think many people expect switching.social to be unbiased but they most certainly are not. You won't see any mentions of Hubzilla or Osada in official switching.social communiques. I'm amused that Friendica's [future, vapourware] ActivityPub abilities are given such high accolades - and yet they are based on current production Osada code; which is ignored completely. Why is that? If it were an issue with me personally, well gee, I created Friendica. If it were an issue with Hubzilla (which wasn't designed as a social network), well gee. What's wrong with Osada - which was?  Wish I could figure it out, but I don't have anything to go on except that they apparently like some projects but not others and with no other reasons given. It makes me wonder what other ActivityPub projects they are aware of but not talking about. Based on experience, those are the ones I want to use.

@mike

I'm sorry we seem to have to got off on the wrong foot :(

Switching.social is aimed at non-technical people. I started it because I was concerned about what Facebook etc were doing to our privacy, and want to encourage ordinary people to use better alternatives.

If there is a bias, it's in favour of alternatives that non-techies can use. I don't list git pages on switching.social because gits are aimed at developers.

Is there a nice friendly non-technical site for Osada?

The fediverse is ultimately only as strong as its site administrators, If they fail us, everybody is screwed, and going back the last 8 years or so, they are the weak link. Their failures affect thousands, and if the software doesn't provide mobility, their users are sitting ducks. End-users need documentation. The fediverse needs both. I'm not as concerned with end-user documentation as I am with empowering site admins to be the best they can be, and letting site admins create their own documentation for their "unique" communities. Please don't write me off for having a different focus than you. Both of these are important.

@switchingsocial
what about GangGo, Socialhome, Rustodon, Misskey and @pfefferle plugin for WordPress?

@switching.social FWIW, I do hope that Osada gets a mention. You are doing the Federation and Fediverse and those that find their way here a great service. While Osada may not have oodles of documentation, I've found it to be the most intuitive user interface when I put my Facebook Refugee hat on. (And I'm on Diaspora, Friendica, Hubzilla, Mastodon, and Pixelfed for comparison.)

If I had more days in my week, I would gladly donate my time to document the heck out of it. I do plan to make it my destination recommendation for my friends looking to leave FB. And I plan to be there to walk them through the transition. I hope that more Fediversians check it out.

@alysonsee

I'm happy to take a look at it :) Is there an onboarding site for Osada, or a website designed for non-technical people, or an example instance?

(I could only find the git.)

@switching.social

The fediverse will finally come of age when we stop talking proprietary software completely. It's not relevant. Osada is mostly a social networking app and yes, it does contain a bunch of core functionality that I vaguely remember from my Facebook days nearly a decade ago. I never cared for Twitter really. So it's more of a conversational style as opposed to a stream of tweets. It's got groups and photo albums and events and you can edit posts and it has a file manager so you can share videos (privately if you want, although no other ActivityPub service supports this currently).

@mike

I think we are talking at crosspurposes?

Switching.social is all about getting people currently using Facebook etc to switch to better alternatives.

I have to give them a snappy, easy-to-grasp explanation of why they would use an alternative.

Something like "Mastodon = twitter without surveillance/ads/Jack" is very useful for this.

If an alternative can't be summed up in one brief sentence like this, then it is more difficult to get people to switch 😟

@switching.social

You can call it a Facebook alternative if you need to call it something. I just don't know whether that's true or not, because it may have been true back in 2010, but I *don't use Facebook*. So I don't really know whether or not that label might still apply.  For all I know they've now got a fizzlewig feature and people will resent something being called a Facebook alternative if it doesn't support fizzlewigs.

@mike

How would you explain Osada in one brief sentence? What would be your "elevator pitch" to a non-technical person?

@switching.social

If you want something like "{Silo} Alternative" then what I can personally think of is:
Osada is a Facebook-like social-network which can communicate with Twitter-like platforms (Misskey, Pleroma, GNUsocial), follow Instagram-like photo sites (Pixelfed, afora(?)), connect with YouTube-like software (PeerTube), and any services on ActivityPub (Friendica, Hubzilla, Socialhome, WriteAs), while giving YOU the power to move to any Osada servers virtually without losing anything.

There isn't a feature that Osada and Hubzilla does not have. Groups, Pages, Status updates, commenting, photo and video upload, file uploading, photo albums, likes (and dislikes), emoji, Android app (Hubzilla has one), follow not add, add/connect, block, filter, profile/page header, avatar, what else? Privacy controls (much better than Facebook). Anything else an "average user" and "non-techie" are using that weren't mentioned?

Advertisements? Not an average user.
Meta tags to link websites with a profiile or page? Not a non-techie user
Mega moderators? Any Fediverse software and instance hired an outsource to be mega moderators?

For me, it isn't about techie and non-techie. It's about value. "What's in it for me?" We have a very good ratio of techie and non-techie already, in fact, ever since the days of Laconica and Mistpark (2008? I can't recall).

I know a lot of techie and non-techie who either doesn't want to give the Fediverse a try or simply abandoned the Fediverse and went back. The top reason was always value. Not the documentation or lack thereof. Not because it's simple enough to understand (it's an insult to some). Not because of features (although it is obviously a factor). Not even because of anonymity, privacy, and security. (Yes, UI is also a factor here.)

It's value. "What's in it for me?"

Each person have a different criteria, in other words, we can't sum it up to "techie" and "non-techie". This was one reason why I shutdown my public Friendica instance back in 2011/2012, I was doing it wrong, I have to go back to the drawing board. I even disappeared from the Fediverse after that in my quest to understand why people are sticking to Facebook (in particular). It is indeed the value.

How I would rewrite it:
Osada is a social-network—similar to yet different from Facebook—which can talk to your family and friends in a Twitter-like platform like Misskey and Pleroma, follow great artists and photographers from Instagram-type services running Pixelfed or Afora(?), or even watch the latest cat video or vlogger episode from a PeerTube-powered video hosting, with just one Osada account forever.

✌️😉

@switching.social
@Mike Macgirvin Yep, I didn't mean it in that way. :) I only mentioned both since these two are largely ignored and dismissed. But nah, I didn't mean the two are the same. :)
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