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If you're looking for an easy-to-use, privacy-friendly alternative to Microsoft's Skype, you might want to try Jami:

jami.net/

You can also follow them on here at:

@Jami

It's free, open and distributed, and available for Android, iOS, Windows, Mac and Linux.

It has no servers, calls are connected directly peer-to-peer over an encrypted connection.

@switchingsocial you don't happen to know a browser chat that is encrypted where i can just share the link with someone (i know browser chats should not be used for critical stuff but …). like the good old crypto cat? though that might have been an addon?

@jfml riot.im/app/ ?

Not encrypted by default, you have to enable it. You have to create an account on a matrix server, then invite your friends to do so, and you can start talking. Don't forget to enable cryto for all discussions.

@switchingsocial

@RLetot @switchingsocial I've tried Riot multiple times over the years but the way they handle encryption is too much on the safe side and therefore not userfriendly enough for me. I delete devices and import and export chat-histories or whathaveyou and it get's super frustrating super fast.

@RLetot @switchingsocial what i'm looking for is a website like meet.jitsi (which is a nogo thanks to google analytics) without the video-calling and only the chat where i can just send the link to someone and start chatting no sign-ups, accounts etc. mmmh, nextcloud talk could do this, maybe?

@jfml @RLetot @switchingsocial Cryptocat (RIP) used to be like this. Learned about it in a class for journalists needing to contact sources... super easy to use, nothing to install, in-browser, etc.

Unfortunately haven't heard of anything quite like it since.

One work-around: You _could_ use Wire's web/browser interface, using a throwaway email to sign-up for an account?

@jfml @RLetot @switchingsocial yepp, nextcloud talk can do it pretty well. You can also invite people via a link and set a password for theconversation

@switchingsocial cool thanks :-) If I understand it correctly, it's a bit like signal but without the centralization ? @Jami

@RLetot @Jami

I would say Skype is a better comparison. Jami is mainly centred around voice and video calls, and has a Skype-stye interface.

Jami is how Skype used to be before Microsoft took it over.

@switchingsocial @RLetot @Jami For video chat it also works really well and allows you to tweak your codecs and resolution if needed. It's the only FOSS solution that I've gotten my family to understand how to use. It's not without quirks. The weak link is offline messaging. But they recently added a serverless voicemail feature, which as far as I know is pretty unique. They also have made slow steady progress and a minimal amount of drama.

@switchingsocial @Jami I think I downloaded this ages ago, but then as now, the same problem: Hard to get people I know to join.

@switchingsocial @Jami oh its a rebranding of ring.cx with a better website. I see.

Very good to see GNU taking interface design seriously for once

@popefucker @Jami

Jami used to be called Ring, they just changed the name.

(I think there was a totally unrelated app also called Ring which caused confusion?)

@switchingsocial @Jami

Thanks for this!

I might give it a try as a Discord Replacement :)

@banjofox I would suggest #Riot as a #Discord replacement rather than #Jami. The voice calls on Jami are pretty good (haven't tested video yet), especially for a serverless app, but it's not great for text chat and currently has no group text chat feature (although group voice calls are possible. I'm curating a list of free code replacements for proprietary team chat apps:
coactivate.org/projects/disint
@switchingsocial @Jami

@strypey

I didn't know that Riot could do voice calls. That's really cool!

Currently I use Riot for #Aardwolf dev-chat

I'm not in a HUGE rush to get off of Discord, because our whole gaming group uses it.

@banjofox hmm. It's possible I'm failing to understand how Discord is used (having never used it). I was under the impression it's predominantly a text chat room system, like Slack or Riot. Are you saying it's more like a voice conference system? In which case, have you tried #Mumble? The voice chat in Riot uses a plugin to connect to a #JitsiMeet server hosted at #Matrix.org. It's pretty centralized. I'd love to see them implement the #Jami protocol for voice/ video chat instead.

@strypey

Discord is like Slack
Anyone can set up a "Server"
Each server has its own channels
Some channels allow voice communication.

@banjofox OK. Slack+voice. That does sound pretty similar to Riot. A Mumble server is basically like IRC+voice. It has channels (both temporary and persistent) which all allow voice chat just by joining them, as well as a text chat box, but like IRC it has no history or persistence. That probably doesn't matter for gaming though, right? Which is what Mumble was designed for.

@strypey

The primary goal was to -hopefully- find something with lower bandwidth/higher audio quality for podcast recording.

Getting my co-host upgraded equipment helped a bit ;)

Plus the entire rest of our gaming group uses Discord, so there are very few reasons to switch platforms (I.e create /more/ accounts)

@banjofox @librelounge use Mumble for podcast recording and I've been recording episodes with it for a comedy podcast I'm doing with a friend in back home. Good mics definitely help, I'd love to be able to afford better ones.

@strypey @librelounge

Mumble will be just as bad on a not so amazing network connection.

@switchingsocial
@Jami

How reliable is it? What I mean by that is how reliably do calls connect, have both video and audio come up on both sides and stay in sync?

To me, that is Skype's killer feature, more than video/sound quality.

I try to use the alternatives, and currently use Wire, but most seem to suffer from a fair degree of calls that never ring on the other side, calls with missing audio/video or where the audio and video lose sync.

@switchingsocial @Jami
This is what makes it hard to convince my family to switch. There's a very low tolerance for having to hang up and call again (and again) because we can't hear/see each other.

@Blort @Jami @franz

I've used Jami regularly for a while now and for me it's been as reliable as Skype.

But your experience may vary, because you are a different person calling different people.

It's difficult to say a VOIP service is "reliable" vs "non reliable", because there seems to be a lot of variation between people's experiences.

For example, I have never, ever, been able to get Jitsi Meet to work *at all*. But I know a lot of people use it, so I still recommend people try it.

@switchingsocial @Blort @Jami @rtwx I'm not sure where you're based, but I bet it works just fine in most European countries, as well as the US.

However, that's the problem: Most of these applications are written by developers in countries, that both afford them the luxury of time (to develop it), and a greater degree, of freedom of speech. That means, they are never tested under less than "ideal" conditions, or in restrictive networks.

@franz @Blort @Jami @rtwx

Yes, definitely. I think developers are just forced to work with what they're given though.

It might help if people from a wider range of countries gave feedback to free open projects, and/or participated in app development?

@switchingsocial @Blort @Jami @rtwx You're right. No criticism - it all depends on funding, and project exposure. I just really wish, this was working reliably, because eventually, all countries will lock-down.

@franz @Blort @Jami @rtwx

If you've had problems and you want them corrected, maybe you could feed details of those problems to the devs?

The more info they have about bugs, the more likely they will be able to fix them 👍

@Blort I haven't tried video yet, but all my experiences with voice calls have been pretty good. For example, see the testing report from the VOICE group's test of group voice chat on Jami a few week ago:
coactivate.org/projects/disint

As mentioned there though, I wouldn't describe it as "user-friendly" yet. Figuring out how to create a group voice chat was quite a mission.
@switchingsocial @Jami

@switchingsocial @Jami Jami is pretty awesome when it works though most of the time, it doesn't - particularly in countries with restrictive internet - which is roughly, half of the world (increasing).

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