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Non-removable batteries and non-standard size mobile batteries anger me the most, because there are lots of perfectly functional devices that are abandoned just because they don't hold a charge any more.

The first mobile devices (like Walkmans etc) used to use standard replaceable batteries like AA size, so this never happened before.

If there could be some legally mandated standard mobile battery, we would have a lot less electronic waste and save a lot of money.

@switchingsocial @greenblue US government had no problem of mandating seal beam light for 30 years, there just needs to be a political will to do that now.

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@switchingsocial @greenblue It would help if the battery would at least be accessible without destroying the device. You don't really need standard battery connectors for doing like 1-2 year maintenance.

@switchingsocial @greenblue Also battery connectors need lots of space and increase production costs. Which would make devices more expensive.

@switchingsocial @greenblue but a common format / size would be nice. Or at least size classes.

@dadada @greenblue@chaos.social

On devices that already cost hundreds of euros, the additional percentage cost of battery covers/connectors must be close to zero.

@switchingsocial @greenblue Mandating removable batteries, hell yes!

Standardized batteries across the board? I'm not sure we're there yet. Battery life and charging speed are still things the industry is trying to improve, and if we lock in a particular size/shape/etc., I can imagine that making it harder to make better batteries for the next generation of devices.

@KelsonV @greenblue@chaos.social

Not necessarily one size/shape, but a narrow range of open standard sizes, a bit like the modern mobile equivalent of AA / AAA / C / D batteries.

An added advantage of this would be a good market for third party companies like duracell etc to make reliable replacement batteries, instead of having to rely on some knock-off from ebay which may explode.

@switchingsocial
Laptops with removable batteries all(?) use the same cells inside them and can be replaced if you're handy enough. The race for thinner and thinner devices is lost on people who buy a phone and then buy a case. Last statistic I heard was 57% of people are using a phone with a cracked screen.

My nexus 4's screen is still unbroken, but the battery doesn't hold a charge and 8 GB of storage is on the smaller size.
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@switchingsocial @mood I’d be happy to give them up, but eliminating non-standard size batteries in consumer electronics may preclude the production of many things we might otherwise take for granted.

@switchingsocial @mood wait, I take that back. Certainly we couldn’t require that medical devices conform to standards if doing so would negatively impact patient outcomes. Now that we’re excluding things, what else gets a pass and who decides?

@chead @mood

Why would having standard battery sizes prevent device development?

The only reason manufacturers have weird sizes now is to lock down consumers into buying new devices prematurely, or to make money from extremely overpriced part replacements.

The Walkman (the first really significant mobile device) used standard size batteries, so did the first PDAs.

In fact all portable electronics used to use standard sizes until the mobile phone era.

@switchingsocial @chead i’m trying to think of consumer devices which really need a nonstandard battery and coming up dry, but suspect i’m just not aware of how many batteries surround me at any given point :P

gimme the examples, chead! *grabby hands*

@mood @chead @switchingsocial It appears cameras are really good at this, Plug and charger are specific to the make and model of the camera, which means you end up with a pile of useless chargers at some point.

There are also a plethora of camera batteries, mostly similar size just contacts are in a different place Really no need for it but it locks you in.
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